Back to Famous Seamus. (not an exact transcription, but close-ish)
"...especially if that space had been packed and packed and packed with Catholic doctrine and your whole being was, was actually just inseparable from the faith, a faith, then you secularize yourself, you know, because that's what you have to do, you're living in the world. You necessarily live the life of your generation. You live the life of the world you're in. The world that you were given is out of kilter with the world that you're in, so you secularize yourself. Well then you say, "Well damn it all, there's something else."
22 min -interview "An afternoon with Seamus Heaney"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpdzarVGOfs&t=1024s
